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Cross Lines

Postby Michael Holmes on Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:46 am

Can someone help me figure out if this 26-22 line draws. It seems that 16-19 27-24 and 9-13 is the best attack but I am not sure. There are so many lines red can play I just dont know if they all draw.
Thanks,
Michael




[Event "2002 TN 11-15 23-18 8-11"]
[Date ""]
[Black "Moiseyev"]
[White "Michael Holmes"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 11-15 23-18 2. 8-11 27-23 3. 4-8 23-19 4. 9-14 18x9 5. 5x14 22-17 6. 15-18 32-27 7. 6-9
19-15 8. 10x19 17x10 9. 7x14 24x15 10. 12-16 26-22 {Does this move lose?} 11. 18-23
{16-19 and 9-13 are the strong moves against this but this is good too moiseyev just misplayed it.}
27x18 12. 14x23 31-26 13. 11x18 26x12 14. 18-23 22-18 15. 23-27 21-17 16. 27-31 17-13 17.
31-27
{moiseyev posted this on the bbs some time ago but I cant remember if he moved here or 2-7 first. I regret I lost my game before it was put into pdn format.}
13x6 18. 1x10 30-26 19. 2-7 25-22 20. 27-31 {loses} 28-24 21. 31-27 24-20 22. 27-31 29-25 0-1


[Event "2001 USA vs UK 11-15 23-18 8-11"]
[Date "2001-??-??"]
[Black "Watson"]
[White "Michael Holmes"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 23-18 2. 8-11 27-23 3. 4-8 23-19 4. 9-14 18x9 5. 5x14 22-17 6. 15-18 32-27 7. 6-9
19-15 8. 10x19 17x10 9. 7x14 24x15 10. 12-16 26-22
{another goatgetter but it won against Alex M. later. I still do not know if this move draws 1-24-05}
11. 16-19 27-24 12. 19-23
{9-13 here is a move to be concerned about. Perhaps someone will analyze this}
24-19 13. 9-13 15-10 14. 2-6 22x15 15. 11x18 28-24 16. 6x15 19x10 17. 23-27 24-20 18.
27-32 30-26 19. 8-11 26-22 20. 11-15 20-16 21. 32-28 16-11 22. 28-24 11-7 23. 14-17 21x14
24. 1-6 10x1 25. 3x26 31x22 1/2-1/2

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Re: Cross Lines

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:57 am

Here is diagram of position where Mr. Holmes is questioning. For me status of this fine move: 26-22 is still untested. It seems very suspicious, but require alot cross aboard skills from both opponents.

It was a nice and good attempt of Mr. Holmes to use this with success against two top players, but "everything is good only once" ! :idea: The question is - can this being used against low level players ? The answer maybe - YES, if they don't visit ACF forum :lol: and not aware of 9-13*

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After 26-22 !?
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Re: Cross Lines

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:43 am

Well, I think both 11.16-19 AND 11. 9-13 r good, but if white prepared well, he will find the draw. Without knowledge, "obviously" red is better, but this advantage is too small to be converted.
Maybe 10.11-16 deserves attention against a player who seems to be "prepared" ?
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Re: Cross Lines

Postby matthewkooshad on Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:23 pm

Michael, I would like to play this game with you sometime if you are up for it. I am on IYT and kings at times. I want to give 16-20 a go.
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This Sunday night is probably best.

Postby Michael Holmes on Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:29 pm

Sounds good.
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Re: Cross lines

Postby Ed Gilbert on Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:56 pm

Michael,

I played this game out with kingsrow/10pc, starting with the position after 26-22 at move 10, and got this interesting game with a man down draw ending.

[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 23-18 2. 8-11 27-23 3. 4-8 23-19 4. 9-14 18x9 5. 5x14 22-17 6.
15-18 32-27 7. 6-9 19-15 8. 10x19 17x10 9. 7x14 24x15 10. 12-16 26-22
11. 16-19 27-24 12. 9-13 24-20 13. 19-23 15-10 14. 11-15 31-26 15. 23-27 26-23 16.
13-17 22x13 17. 27-32 23-19 18. 15x24 28x19 19. 18-23 19-16 20. 23-27 10-7 21. 3x10 16-12
22. 8-11 12-8 23. 32-28 8-3 24. 28-24 3-7 25. 11-15 7-11 26. 14-18 20-16 27. 18-23 11x18
28. 24-20 16-12 29. 27-32 18x27 30. 32x23 12-8 31. 10-15 21-17 32. 15-19 8-3 33. 20-16
17-14 34. 19-24 25-22 35. 24-27 22-18 1/2-1/2
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Thanks Ed!

Postby Michael Holmes on Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:52 pm

Wow! I was hoping for some sort of hope for this move. The eight piece database with less than 2 minutes to play shows it in the negative 40's or 50's so I was not sure if this was a draw or not. Thank you very much for your work and time on this.
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Re: Cross Lines

Postby CheckersStrongplayer on Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:12 pm

Seems pretty difficult to figure out hey shr you should put the numbers on the boards to help others understand what's going on...
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Cross Cook

Postby Michael Holmes on Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:38 am

This line of play (26-22 and many of its variations) is in Ed's book10.odb that can be downloaded off his page. http://pages.prodigy.net/eyg/Checkers/BH_draws.htm

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