3 moves US National 2016.

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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:57 pm

Final minors standings:

Minors
Franks, Watson 25
Neverson, Wynnell 25 (women's champ)
Branch, Wilma 24
Hochstetler, Harley 24
Henderson, Kent 23
Stallsworth, George 23
Williamson, Ted 23
Hines, Paul 22
O'Hara, Michael 20
Myers, Robert 19
Smith, JR 19
Coleman, Joe 18
Yoder, Ray 17
Willis, Dale 15
Willis, Kim 15
MacDonald, Ally 3

Congratulations to the winners!
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:36 am

Final standings masters:


Scarpetta, Sergio 40
Moiseyev, Alex 38
King, Ron 36
Kondlo, Lubabalo 28
Beckwith, Richard 26
Francis, Jack 26
Webster, John 26
Holmes, Alex 24
Keen, Larry 24
Laverty, Tim 24
Mercado, Alfredo 24
Moore, Joe 24
Morrison, Jim 24
Nash, Clayton 24
Wells, Lorne 24
Xiong, Chee 24
Bryan, Paul 22
Hinkle, Brian 22
Sokolovsky, Mark 22
Schwartz, Joe 20
Schwartzberg, Phil 20
Maughan, Desmond 16
Wilson, Gary 12

Congratulations to Sergio Scarpetta, the 1st Italian to win the US Nationals. :king:
Congratulations to World Champions Alex Moiseyev and Ron King :cheers: :cheers:

Congratulations to Allan Millhone for winning the majors :cheers:

Congratulations to Watson Franks for winning the minors :cheers:

And last, but not least to Wynell Neverson of Barbados for winning the minors :cheers:
and winning the title of US Woman Champion :queen:

And, finally congratulations to the ACF for hosting this event :usa2:

And my respect to the referees Frank and Mary Davis :salute:


PS:
Many thanks to John Acker for publishing the results, despite playing in the majors :wav:
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby George Hay on Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:30 am

This was just a tremendous tournament! Congratulations to GM Sergio Scarpetta, Winner of the Open 3-Move Tournament, and congratulations to US 3-Move Champion, GM Alex Moiseyev. Congratulations to ACF President Alan Millhone for winning the Majors Division. Congratulations to Watson Franks for winning the Minors Division. Congratulations to Women's Champion Wynnell Neverson. Special thanks to Jeannie and Joe McDanniel for sponsoring the 2016 Nationals in the Ultimate Mind Sport (Checkers).

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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby rich beckwith on Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:11 pm

The above standings don't reflect honor-point tiebreakers -- not sure anyone has even calculated this yet. I think Wynell Neverson won the Minors with H.P.s considered (this one was checked so they could award trophy).
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby Bill Salot on Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:29 pm

In the Masters, players named Alex led with 62 points.
Players named Joe were second with 44 points.
Players named Sergio were third with 40.
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby clintolsen on Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:32 pm

If HP are calculated by removing the lowest point total from the sum of your opponents scores, masters results are as follows:

1 Scarpetta, Sergio 40 312
2 Moiseyev, Alex 38 318
3 King, Ron 36 306
4 Kondlo, Lubabalo 28 322
5 Webster, John 26 308
6 Francis, Jack 26 304
7 Beckwith, Richard 26 292
8 Moore, Joe 24 312
9 Nash, Clayton 24 306
10 Keen, Larry 24 296
11 Morrison, Jim 24 290
12 Laverty, Tim 24 264
12 Mercado, Alfredo 24 264
14 Holmes, Alex 24 260
15 Wells, Lorne 24 234
15 Xiong, Chee 24 234
17 Bryan, Paul 22 260
18 Sokolovsky, Mark 22 258
19 Hinkle, Brian 22 228
20 Schwartz, Joe 20 298
21 Schwartzberg, Phil 20 208
22 Maughan, Desmond 16 242
23 Wilson, Gary 12 246
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby clintolsen on Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:44 pm

Here's majors HP:

1 Millhone, Alan 29 200
2 Bishop, Anthony 27 204
3 Herberger, John 26 197
4 Clark, Matthew 22 207
5 Tucker, Albert 21 191
6 Weaver, Alex 21 182
7 Ramsey, Dallas 21 159
8 Beachy, Dave 20 196
9 Weaver, Joe 19 204
10 Webster, Jeff 19 192
11 Atwood, Larry 19 191
12 Acker, John 19 187
12 Askins, Jerry 19 156
14 Wenberg, Neil 18 172
15 Mays, Shelby 18 158
15 Smith, Buck 16 166
16 Gain, Howard 15 174
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby clintolsen on Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:53 pm

Here's my calculations for minors:

1 Neverson, Wynnell 25 209
2 Franks, Watson 25 205
3 Branch, Wilma 24 197
4 Hochstetler, Harley 24 186
5 Williamson, Ted 23 203
6 Stallsworth, George 23 200
7 Henderson, Kent 23 198
8 Hines, Paul 22 204
9 O'Hara, Michael 20 181
10 Smith, JR 19 206
11 Myers, Robert 19 156
12 Coleman, Joe 18 181
12 Yoder, Ray 17 170
14 Willis, Kim 15 173
15 Willis, Dale 15 159
15 MacDonald, Ally 3 171
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby John Acker on Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:57 am

Do we have official confirmation of these placements? I know that Wynnell Neverson was awarded the Minors title since she got the trophy, but I had to leave Branson before the other standings were calculated.
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:10 pm

In addition for those who are interesting ...

This year like 2014 (and 2012?) we played with rule - "scoring per ballot" where winner of round receive 4 points no matter (s)he wins one or two games.

We voted for 2018 system and if I didn't miss anything - only me and Sergio Scarpetta (haha!!) voted for this system. Majority of Master Division players preferred to score per game.

Democracy took it course - so be it! It is clear that scoring per ballot is favored by strong players only who prefers scientifically proved and consistent play . Amateur and super-over aggressive players (aki suki) like scoring per game.

Just remind you that principal "winner take all" was established and used in ACF by our checkers fathers more then 60 years ago and stay here without much changes for 5-6 decades.

All after all - in 2018 3-moves National in Master Division we have scoring per game, this is official.

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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby clintolsen on Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:55 pm

No need to insult everyone who doesn't agree with you. Clearly the goal of any game is to win, and therefore it makes sense to reward players who win the most / lose the least. Does anyone know if ratings are calculated different when scoring by game is used vs scoring by ballot/round? They should be, because a stronger player will win a much higher % of points with ballot/round scoring.

I'm interested to know why a bye was worth 4 points this tournament. Every national tournament I can remember it has always been 3 points.
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:21 pm

clintolsen wrote:No need to insult everyone who doesn't agree with you.
I hope my message didn't insult anyone, I just shared my vision. Maybe I shouldn't use bad word "amateur" and say "average player" ? :D

I also am not disappointed with voting result, just curious. As ACF Player Representative I am absolutely OK with fact that in 2018 we have system in Master Division which satisfy majority number of players.

At the end I want to mention that there is no "game" in 3 moves, there is ballot. You can consider 2 games micro-match as 1 event. So - I can win micromatch, drew or lose. Thinking that in 3-moves round we have two unrelated independent games (aki GAYP) is incorrect in my eyes

BTW. We already counted each game in the Major and Minors. So - it's not new in ACF. We are consistently moving into one direction - simplify the game :D
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby neilwenberg on Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:22 pm

I am disappointed and want my entry fee back. I felt there were four players I should have finished ahead of I only finished ahead of three so the system must have been rigged!! That is tongue in cheek! In all seriousness, I felt that Watson Franks should have been awarded a draw in the game with Miss Neverson. If a player cannot show a win the game should be a draw. In a game between Herberger and a fellow from Florida, they played on even though Herberger was outmanned by 3 to 2. Because of bad play by Beachy he lost a piece and the game ended a draw. If the logic for the Franks/Neverson game was applied here the game should been over when Beachy was ahead. That is why if a player cannot show a win no matter how many pieces each player has the game should be called a draw.
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby John Acker on Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:26 pm

Actually, Alex, you could argue that since many 3-move openings are unbalanced, that's all the more reason to give players credit for drawing the weak side of an opening. At the 2014 NT I played a number of good draws against higher-rated masters, but only got credit for them if I also managed to draw the other game. That didn't happen often so I had a lot of zero-point rounds, which in a larger tournament would have affected pairings significantly. It's also much easier to calculate ratings reliably under game scoring, since you only need to differentiate between a WL and a DD result.

As to the bye value, 4 points seems very high to me, especially since Phil Schwartzberg got a pair of two-point byes for missing the first two rounds. Three-point byes have previously been standard, though even that may boost weaker players too much. On a related note, first-round byes should only go to the lowest-rated player in the division, not be chosen randomly. Of course, we could avoid a lot of these problems with advance registration and standardized division sizes.
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Re: 3 moves US National 2016.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:49 pm

John Acker wrote:to give players credit for drawing the weak side of an opening.
You made me a day !! :lol: :P :mrgreen: Great argument
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