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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Lindus Edwards on Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:24 pm

Congratulations once again to Mr Borghetti.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Lindus Edwards on Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:54 am

For those wondering what happened in the final round and the final outcome. I believe, to the be best of my knowledge, it ended as follows:

Round 8
Borghetti 2-2 McCosker
King 2-2  Kondlo
Beckwith 2-2 Bernini
Martynov 2-2 Morisson
Francis 2-2 Bryan
Price 3-1 Boyle
G. Young 3-1 Moran
Jolliff 3-1 Durdyev
C. Young 4-0 Morgan
Layne 2-2 Rose

  Top 10 placings:
1. Borghetti
2. King
3. Beckwith
4. Bernini
5. Martynov
6. Kondlo
7.McCosker
8.Francis
9. Morrison
10.Price

I was under the impression, as were many others, that the event would be held over five days and that 20 games would be played.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:08 am

Dear Lindus,

I was also (like many) under the impression that Mr. Lindus Edwards would represent Wales, but that was simply a wrong impression :D

I can not as yet confirm the results of the last round, especially the Price-Boyle encounter. This result however would not change that the winner was Michele Borghetti (italy), but it may change the order on the next places.

Wewill have to wait until the full final result has been reported to the WCDF by the referees for an official crosstable with an official result.

As of now I can only confirm that Michele Borghetti won the QT and the right to challenge Sergio Scarpetta and that Amangul Berdiyeva (Turkmenistan) won the Women's World Championships (GAYP).

It is like an election night: the spectators and reporters see the results and know who wins long in advance, but the official result can only be given after all votes have been counted and all reports are finally in.

We also can not give informations on the GA of the WCDF as yet, as the minutes of the GA have
not been reported yet.

Note that the games were recorded and will be published on the WCDF site: http://www.wcdf.net/forum.htm

as soon as possible.


Greetinx from sunny, but cloudy Dortmund, Germany

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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Lindus Edwards on Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:05 am

Hi Ingo,

Many thanks for that information and indeed for previous posts which, I am sure, we all appreciate. Unfortunately, as mentioned in this chain some weeks ago, I did not feel I was a good enough player to represent Wales.

I am pleased to hear that games will be shown as I cannot wait to see them. I always learn so much by going over such great games.


Once again, many thanks for all you have done.

Best wishes always,

Lindus.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby john reade on Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:23 am

The results from Knighton have all been posted on the Scottish Draughts website by Graham Young.

The Friday was reserved for playoffs. But no playoffs were needed.

Thanks are due to John Morgan for organising such a successful event.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Lindus Edwards on Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:05 am

Many thanks for that clarification John. Pleased all went well and that players had a great time.

Scottish Draughts Association site is at: http://www.scottishdraughts.com/

Well done to my great friend John Morgan. You always provide a great venue, lovely food and a traditional warm welcome in the great Land of Song, Wales.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby S_McCosker on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:52 am

Congratulations to Michele Borghetti on winning the WQT :).
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Lindus Edwards on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:55 pm

I have received emails from a number of players saying they cannot access the Scottish Draughts Association site to see the cross tables of the qualifier events.

I am sure any problem will be rectified soon.

Here is a link to the cross tables at another site:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... li=1#gid=0

Best wishes to all,

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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:43 pm

Lindus Edwards wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NXHS_aFOAN7nf_7t26yfWk4Tu7_ezL8ROr-x8NyUxvU/edit?pli=1#gid=0
Thanks, Lindus ! I also had problems to view SDA site and now had a chance finally to look at cross standing table. Very impressive hard & bloody fight.

2016 GAYP World title match S. Scarpetta vs M. Borghetti will be very interesting.

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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Lindus Edwards on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:28 pm

Glad to be of assistance Alex. Yes, the Borghetti v Scarpetta freestyle match will be a great one. I am looking forward to seeing the games.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Lindus Edwards on Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:09 am

The Scottish Draughts Association site can be better accessed at:

http://www.scottishdraughts.com/wworld- ... federation


I have no problem accessing the site address I gave earlier, but others said they cannot. It is hoped that the one above will work. My thanks to Liam Stephens for his kind assistance with this.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby liam stephens on Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:57 am

I just noticed that when you open the above link it says "Page not found".
Ignore this and click on "Results" in the left hand column.
Then click on "World Checkers Draughts Federation". (also in left hand column)
That should get you there. :D
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Lindus Edwards on Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:27 pm

Many thanks Liam. I have had over twenty messages from players who cannot access the information on the qualifiers.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby Bill Salot on Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:12 pm

Well, I accessed both cross tables. They both indicated the top 6 players each had 19 tournament points. Presumably the 6-way tie was broken by honor points, but the honor points were not given in either table.

Will somebody provide the honor points and explain why they alone are justification for shortening a tournament by a full day?

Why weren't some of those ties broken by playing real games on the day scheduled for that purpose?

Are "go-as-you-please" games between master players so uncompetitive that tie matches are the unavoidable norm? (That's what players concluded more than 100 years ago.)

Should master players be banned from "go-as-you-please-play", including the upcoming all Italy match? I am all in favor of a Borghetti-Scarpetta match, but not at "go-as-you-please".

These are just innocent questions from a layman seeking answers on a grass roots level.
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Re: GAYP Qualifiers 2015

Postby rich beckwith on Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:55 pm

Bill, the tie breaker rules are in WCDF Statutes are shown below. The tournament was not suddenly shortened a day, because Sonneborn-Berger first breaks the tie, so playoffs were not used. The women also had a similar tie for first (but among 2-players, who played a round-robin.). BTW, I mailed games to Jim Loy to process. While there were some repeat "GAYP" draws (I had a standard Dyke line several times throughout the week), there were also plenty of unique, competitive games as well.
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In the case of a qualification tournament all ties must be broken by procedures detailed in Appendix 3, namely:

i. The result between the individual players – mini league if appropriate,
ii. Sonneborn-Berger,
iii. Playoff at rapid play rates.

Appendix 3. – General Tournament Regulations

3.1 Tie breaks available for tournaments are,
3.1.1 Mini League. This is a comparison between players on the same points. The results against each of the other tied players form a mini league the players being ordered accordingly. Should a mini league not be possible due to one or more players having not played or if ties are still apparent then ties are broken as below,
3.1.2 Sonneborn-Berger. This is the sum of each opponent’s score multiplied by the points scored against that opponent. The resulting total is ordered highest through lowest to determine ranking, otherwise if ties remain then proceed below,
3.1.3 Playoff. A playoff should be arranged by the referee under the remit of the event. If the playoff is to determine a result at the event then a succession of sets of games played at a faster rate as determined by the referee applies.
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