Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby champion374 on Mon May 18, 2015 10:57 am

hi Geogre since you find stuff on the net can you find the 2005 results of the irish open intermediate section>?
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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby George Hay on Mon May 18, 2015 12:30 pm

Kent, I found this article. Special thanx to JR Smith for his great archive!

http://nccheckers.org/NCCA/11-11-2005%20NationsNews.htm
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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon May 18, 2015 12:58 pm

George, many thanks for your fantastic, terrific input and research. I will put updated list of ACF GM's soon.

I am thinking about "cutoff date" - 1905, when ACF was created originally.

Next assignment to you - mail players.

So far I have 4 names in mind: RLF, Jerry Childer, Max Banks, Tommy Canning. Remember - criteria: get twice (at least) on top 3 in ACF National Tournament / Ladder or play World Title matches.

Any missing's / additions ?

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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon May 18, 2015 1:01 pm

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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby Bill Salot on Mon May 18, 2015 5:30 pm

Here is some more information from Ed Atkinson:

M. Lieber was accidentally left off my list. He finished with an 8-0-32 score in the Second Int. Match, 1927. Ginsburg was 11-3-26. More importantly Lieber tied his famous match with Gonotsky, 1929, with a 0-0-40 score. Lieber missed one win; Gonotsky missed none. I think that they were the two strongest players in the world at this time.

Milton Loew defeated Asa Long twice in the 1960 American Ty., Eau Clair. He also defeated H. Freyer in a match in the early 1950s. Jack Cox told me that Loew did not want to challenge Hellman to a title match because he did not want to assume the obligations of a world title holder. This paved the way for the second Hellman-Long Match, 1962, tied 2-2-36. Loew was fourth behind Case, Hellman and Long at the Ocean City, 1952 American Ty.

Back in the mid 1950s Wiswell played on third board behind Freyer and Jack Cox in a New York versus Pennsylvania Team Match. With Ryan's death and Loew's exit from N. Y. Freyer and Cox were considered the two strongest players in New York. A match was arranged and the score was 1-1-10. Not so long after that Freyer played a match with Tinsley prior to the latter's departure to play Oldbury. Score 0-0-10.

In 1970 I played a series of twelve games with Cox at his home in Philadelphia. There was no doubt in my mind that he was tougher than Lowder with whom I had played seven tournament games. Was Jack Cox a Grandmaster?

K. Grover defeated Hellman in a 20 game match. If memory serves he was second to Hellman in one of the 1946 national championships. He was third behind Chamblee and Cameron but ahead of Tinsley and Ryan in the 1950 American Ty., Paxton. At the 1968 11-man Championship he was second to Fuller and beat Long and Freyer along the way.
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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby champion374 on Mon May 18, 2015 5:57 pm

thanks George but i was thinking more of a points table,

just wanted to see it when i came 4th in ireland and the players i played against i cant really remember much about it.

2004 i scored 16 points in the seniors section. well im a master now after wining the majors in the Barbados open last year
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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon May 18, 2015 9:09 pm

Here is list of 28 players (so far), who I think must be awarded with ACF GM title retrospectively. I also find (many thanks to Richard Beckwith, who saved my emails from 2005!) list of ACF GM's, which Richard Fortman (!!!) sent me some years ago. I have to compare it with list we created. But we are getting close to the end with GM's.

01. M. Tinsley
02. W. Hellman
03. A. Long
04. A. Jordan
05. T. Wiswell
06. W. Ryan
07. B. Case
08. E. Lowder
09. E. Bruch
10. S. Gonotsky
11. D. Oldbury
12. W. Fraizer
13. N. Banks
14. M. Lieber
15. M. Chamblee
16. E. Hunt
17. D. Lafferty
18. N. Rubin
19. C Barker
20. M Pomeroy
21. H. Henderson
22. J. Horr
23. M. Hopper
24. E. Frazier
25. K. Grover
26. E. Fuller
27. L. Ginsberg
28. M. Loew

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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby tgf on Mon May 18, 2015 10:04 pm

Is there a list of existing grandmasters?
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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Tue May 19, 2015 12:15 am

tgf wrote:Is there a list of existing grandmasters?
See before posts. None of these lists are final, just proposals and thoughts.
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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby tgf on Tue May 19, 2015 12:34 am

There was another grandmaster about 20 years ago, his name started with M, it was told he was the last live grandmaster (besides Levitt)
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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby George Hay on Wed May 20, 2015 8:01 am

Mr. Alex, I have not found any list of winners of ACF Mail Play Ladders. However, I do know it was in the very capable and hardworking hands of Mr. Earl Hangen as the long term ACF Mail Play Director. The Mail Play Ladders were very popular and competitive. I found this article about Checkers Mail Play World Champion Richard Fortman, another great save by JR Smith!

http://www.nccheckers.org/NCCA/July%201 ... gister.htm

The WCDF currently lists McLeod Banks (USA) as the Mail Play World Champion 2003-Present.

The ACF World Championship Matches Page includes Mail Play.

http://www.usacheckers.com/worldchampionshipresults.php

What would be considered a Grandmaster "norm" in ACF Ladders, wining an ACF Ladder Tournament, or placing in the top three?

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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Wed May 20, 2015 8:52 am

George Hay wrote:What would be considered a Grandmaster "norm" in ACF Ladders, wining an ACF Ladder Tournament, or placing in the top three?
My opinion - placing in top 3 gives 1 norm, but you need 2 norms to achieve title. Or you can get title automatically if you win World Title.

Who was 11 man ballot Mail Play World Champion's ?

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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby George Hay on Wed May 20, 2015 9:15 am

Alex_Moiseyev wrote:
Who was 11 man ballot Mail Play World Champion's ?



I never heard of such a title, and is it officially recognized by the ACF?

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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby Mac Banks on Wed May 20, 2015 12:01 pm

Nigel Proffitt is the 11 man ballot mail champion.
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Re: Who is ACF Grandmaster ?

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Wed May 20, 2015 12:24 pm

Mac Banks wrote:Nigel Proffitt is the 11 man ballot mail champion.
If I am not mistaken, Mr. Proffitt resides in Wales. I think it is WCDF responsibility and privilege to award G. Miller and N. Proffitt with GM titles in order to recognize their performance and contribution to mail play. I am in favor now to stick into 4 names I mentioned. The only additional candidate for ACF GM title could be (and we discuss) probably P. Thompson ?

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