Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

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Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:30 pm

Diagram #1. Red to move ......... Diagram #2. Red to move
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G. Owens vs Bashim Durdyev, G1

I really and truly giveup !!! There were alot of inaccuracies in play of both opponents in this critical opening 9-14, 23-18, 14x23 from the very beginning until final agreement with draw in winning position. I decided to pickup two diagrams - from the very beginning and at the end of game.

On diagram #1 after opening moves red just played 12-16 and white replied 32-27? which appears to be an earlier loss. 5-9 is correct way to meet 32-27, but red played 16-20 and game started !

Diagram #2 has a final position where red win is quite obvious and ... draw was agreed.

For discovery lovers :D I am giving here a full text of game:

1. 09-14 23-18 2. 14x23 27x18 3. 12-16 32-27 4. 16-20 22-17 5. 11-15 18x11 6. 08x15 17-14 7. 10x17 21x14 8. 04-08 25-22 9. 06-09 30-25 10. 09x18 26-23 11. 08-11 23x14 12. 11-16 22-17 13. 07-10 14x07 14. 03x10 27-23 15. 20x27 31x24 16. 16-20 24-19 17. 15x24 28x19 18. 20-24 23-18 ... 1-1

Red to move
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D. Oliphant vs M. Bernini, G2

Position from INFERNO. Instead correct 6-10, red played here 8-11? which is an earlier published play loss and after then Matteo didn't miss anything and played it perfectly to the rest.

Red to move
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S. Thrane vs J. Tikhy, G2

24 pieces still on board. 11-16? and game is over: 20x11, 7x16, 23-18 etc WW

Diagram #1. Red to move ........ Diagram #2. White to move.
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U. Hydyrov vs J. Jolliff, G2

It is not an easy thing to locate in this game where red first time get into scientific loss. I'll take a chance and pick position on diagram #1 where red played 17-21? instead correct 11-16. After then white played it right until position on diagram #2.

How many players - so many ways to screw things! ... actually it should be "+1" ways, because one way to screw things is always unknwon.

White played here 31-26 ?? and after 11-15*, 18x11, 25-22, 27-24 draw was agreed.

White to move
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C. Freeman vs F. Shafir, G2

30-25 ?? - loses, 27-24 is correct. This kind of "novice move" waiting for opponent mistake (4-8?, 20-16 etc WW) is made by almost everyone in the beginning of career. Indeed Vitaly, outstanding master in Russian checkers, is not new to game, but it was his first Anglo-American Checkers event of such calibre. Hence, one time I played 30-25 too in 1997 !!!

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Second game of 5th round will be annotated later in other post under this topic. Stay on for more news !

Game Bagtiyar Durdyev vs Sergio Scarpetta (Rd.5, G2) will be annotated fully and professionally because it's appear like the only game where Sergio was in loss (still won it later due to Bagtiyar horrible blunder).

The reason Sergio got into loss is quite obvious - he didn't read Sixth or even didn't open it :roll: , because important diagram at critical moment printed on the front cover :D :D :D
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Re: Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:09 am

Red to move
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M. Berninin vs D. Oliphant, G2

In position on diagram red played 4-8? I am wondering - how long players will continue to stay away of study PP and make this natural but losing move ? 14-17 is the only drawn move here which is well known more than half of century from regular deck.

After 4-8 white played 22-18, 14-17, 21x14, 10x17 and instead playing winning 18-14* missed a win by playing 19-15.

Diagram 1. Red to move .......... Diagram 2. White to move.
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J. Jolliff vs U. Hydyrov, G2

There were several misings in this game, one-by-one, I decided to pick diagrams for the very first one and very last one.

In position on diagram #1 white last move was 26-23 which opens a danger hole. Black should play here 9-13 with following 13-17, 1-6-9-13 plan. Instead 9-13, red played 11-15 and game continued: 24-20 (30-26 is much better and easy), 9-13 (15-19 is much stronger), 2-6, 31-26 (not loses yet but at some point critical. 30-26 was correct), 13-17 ...

See position on diagram #2. It seems like red has an easy win now by running 6-9-13, however white had an excellent drawn source and nice escape here: 19-15*, 6-9, 14-10*, 7x14, 27-23*, 187x27, 32x23, 1-6, 23-19*, 3-7, 20-16*, 14-18, 21x14, 18-23, 16-11* (only here! 14-10 loses), 7x16, 14-10*, 8-11, 10x1*, 11x18, 1-6*, 9-13, 6-10*, 23-27, 10-15*, 16x23, 15x22* ... typical computer generated play: 14 star moves in row including 3 pitches and draw is there !!!

Red to move
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Bashim Durdyev vs G. owens, G2

White earlier played 30-26 instead 29-25 which seems to be an error. Strange position on diagram ... Bashim played 9-14 and I also would probably do the same. But the program thinks 1-6* should win ! Could we trust program ?

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Game Bagtiyar Durdyev vs S. Scarpetta from 5th round postponed again :D Still collecting all beauties
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Re: Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby liam stephens on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:27 pm

Red to move

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M. Berninin vs D. Oliphant, G2

In position on diagram red played 4-8? I am wondering - how long players will continue to stay away of study PP and make this natural but losing move ? 14-17 is the only drawn move here which is well known more than half of century from regular deck.

4-8 also played by A Moiseyev v W Docherty 2001. :)
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Re: Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:02 pm

liam stephens wrote:4-8 also played by A Moiseyev v W Docherty 2001. :)
Yes, but I wasn't first :D I am asking - who will be last ?
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Re: Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby liam stephens on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:34 pm

Games Archive shows:

4-8 played in 5 games:
8IM 2005 J Morrison v B Lucas
Match 2001 A Moiseyev v W Docherty
US Nat 1996 V DeLong v A Tucker
Match 1925 E C Waterhouse v H B Reynolds
Match 1894 J Ferrie v J Wyllie

14-17 in only one game:
Eng Open 2001 D Griffin v C McKenna
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Re: Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby liam stephens on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:38 pm

Ferrie v Wyllie 1894, reached the following position:

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White to play and win.

Wyllie played 10-15, which only drew, but 10-6 instead is a W. W.
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Re: Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby tommyc on Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:35 pm

Liam Stephens wrote........................In position on diagram red played 4-8? I am wondering - how long players will continue to stay away of study PP and make this natural but losing move ??



And the answer is....................Get Cannings Compilations and READ IT EVERY DAY"" .........Thats what Moiseyev did??
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Re: Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby tommyc on Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:29 am

M. Berninin vs D. Oliphant, G2

In position on diagram red played 4-8? I am wondering - how long players will continue to stay away of study PP and make this natural but losing move ? 14-17 is the only drawn move here which is well known more than half of century from regular deck.

After 4-8 white played 22-18, 14-17, 21x14, 10x17 and instead playing winning 18-14* missed a win by playing 19-15..................aLEX..........


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Re: Selected Positions in Lille, Rd. 5 (Men)

Postby tommyc on Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:52 am

INFERNO 18-14* IS A PP WHITE WIN BUT19-15 EVEN THO IT DRAWS, IS NO CAKE WALK EITHER FOR RED!!.
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