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2011 Aussie Census

Postby Danny_Alvarez on Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:11 pm

I was sitting at a friend's couch discussing politics + world economy + USA's possible default on tuesday (august 2 , 2011) in other word's we were fixing the world from the comfort of his couch... when the census papers arrived... he started filling it and he put JEDI as his religion i started laughing but he told me that 60 thousand other idiots had done the same at the previous census....
i found some of the questions too "big brotherish" for my liking.... are they going to demand to know how much fibre i consume and what brand of toothpaste i use????
i guess i am sensitive to this issue since they are going to install 100 thousand face recognition cameras in my city.... i got nothing to hide but at the same time i think it is intrusive.... then again the crime rate has gotten a little bit out of hand in the last 12 months ( we are used to negligible numbers here in oz)

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PS how often do they do census in america and does anyone answer those questions???
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby liam stephens on Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:49 pm

You'll wonder where the yellow went,
When you brush your teeth with Pepsodent !!!
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby George Hay on Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:02 pm

Danny, just to compare notes, I think the census in the USA is much too intrusive! It should be a head count every ten years, that is all that is authorized in the U.S. Constitution. My home state of Michigan was the only state of the 50 United States to loose population in the last decade. But with a new business friendly governor and state legislator, hope springs eternal!
In honor of the former governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, I came up with the Granholm Effect:
Raise Taxes, and Jobs Disappear! --George Hay

P.S. The Census is every ten years. The questions must be answered. Most people get a short form, but some people get a long form that is even more intrusive.
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby George Hay on Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:36 pm

Danny, I am pleasantly surprised to find out the 2010 USA Census did not have a long form! That is an improvement.
It still asks about race and ethnicity, and that is intrusive in my opinion.
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby George Hay on Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:23 pm

"Jennifer" is spelled with two n's, that is the reason for my above edit. (Stupid spell checker!)
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby Danny_Alvarez on Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:20 am

was Jennifer the state Governor before or after Jesse Ventura ??
I am a big fan of Jesse :)

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PS Liam i haven't seen Pepsodent in a while , but that jingle is sure catchy
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby George Hay on Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:50 am

Jennifer Granholm was after Jesse Ventura, but in a different Great Lakes State. Ventura was governor of Minnesota from 8 JAN 1999 to 6 JAN 2003, Granholm was governor of Michigan from 1 JAN 2003 to 1 JAN 2011. I am also a fan of Jesse Ventura, he has his own unique perspective, agree or disagree! --George Hay
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby MostFamousDane on Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:25 am

George Hay wrote:In honor of the former governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, I came up with the Granholm Effect:
Raise Taxes, and Jobs Disappear! --George Hay


Yes and the earth is flat and as long as your 4 humors are in balance you are healthy, any other discredited theories you would like to share :D
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby Danny_Alvarez on Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:49 am

George Hay wrote:Jennifer Granholm was after Jesse Ventura, but in a different Great Lakes State. Ventura was governor of Minnesota from 8 JAN 1999 to 6 JAN 2003, Granholm was governor of Michigan from 1 JAN 2003 to 1 JAN 2011. I am also a fan of Jesse Ventura, he has his own unique perspective, agree or disagree! --George Hay


Sorry George i had to look up google maps.... i am hopeless confusing Michigan and Minnesota :oops:

Jesse is unique and i find him funny and passionate.... (a bit like i see myself, this doesn't mean this is how i am :) ) maybe that's why i like him despite my difference of opinion.

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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby George Hay on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:39 am

Sune, yes, the Laffer Curve, it will make a comback! --George Hay
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby MostFamousDane on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:52 am

George Hay wrote:Sune, yes, the Laffer Curve, it will make a comback! --George Hay


I don't think there is any one disputing the existence of the laffer curve the question is just whether the breaking point 92 %, 95 % or 99 % :)

http://thoughtstate.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... rowth.html

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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby George Hay on Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:14 pm

Sune, thank you for the link, the article and comments are very interesting. I almost thought I was back on the ACF forum. This is cut and paste from the link (lol): Alex, my main point was(...) --George Hay
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby MostFamousDane on Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:22 pm

JohnAcker wrote:And when exactly have higher taxes resulted in more jobs? Aside from government jobs, of course.


Hi John

In science we have these things:

1. Theories
2. Empirical evidence

You form theories - the value of these theories depend on whether one can predict the future using ones theories not whether they are common sense or just fit ones world view. If having high taxes were bad for the economy then the countries with high tax rates would be poor and the countries with low tax rates would be rich. Exactly the opposite is the case the richest countries have the highest tax rates one can therefore immediately dismiss the theory that having high tax rates is bad for the economy.

The only two possibilities left is that higher taxes actually make countries richer or that the tax rate is not a relevant factor in determining whether a country is rich. One explanation for this could be that normally there is a connection between the amount of taxes and the amount of money the government can spend. The republicans have historically have difficulty in understanding this but seem to finally have understood it (at the worst time possible). If we have high taxes then the government can use more money on things that makes the country richer eg. free education which means that the people will earn more money and the country will be richer.

Anyway to answer your question normally it is a pretty bad idea to raise taxes in a recession and it is also a pretty bad idea to cut spending since both will increase unemployment. What you need to do is raise taxes when there is a boom and use the money to 1. pay of your debt so you can borrow money in the next recession, 2. invest in things that will make you richer in the long run e.g. education. That is what we have typically done in the scandinavian countries and the reason why here in Denmark we had no debt when the recession hit, why our minimal wages are 3-4 times higher than in the US. and why we have half the unemployment rates that the US have. Socialism rocks :D
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby George Hay on Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:48 pm

I study Adam Smith, but I don't pretend to speak for him. I try to project his theories into the modern world. I would not write him off just yet! --George Hay
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Re: 2011 Aussie Census

Postby MostFamousDane on Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:59 pm

George Hay wrote:I study Adam Smith, but I don't pretend to speak for him. I try to project his theories into the modern world. I would not write him off just yet! --George Hay


Well Adam Smiths main points as far as I remember is mainly the division of labor and free trade both of which can still occur when there are high income taxes.
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