Saturday Situation!

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Saturday Situation!

Postby matthewkooshad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:16 am

I may try to post a problem in this thread each Saturday or something. Here is one that I posted in another thread for fun, which Jake started to try to solve. The problem came from my Lees guide book.
    Dec 17
    Jos.Brown, Woonsocket
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    Red to play and win.
Jake Lopez wrote:6-1 19-15 1-6 15-11 6-1 11-8 2-6 8-3 6-9 13x6 1x10
I just noticed this isn't the fastest way :O
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby matthewkooshad on Mon Dec 26, 2005 1:50 am

I looked at this one wrong at first; it came quick when I saw it.
    Dec 24
    J.P. Reed & C. Hefter
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    Red to play and win.
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:50 am

Matthew, do you know - why authors placed here mans on 26 and 18 ? :idea:
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby matthewkooshad on Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:19 am

I considered this too when I looked at it. It is not needed to show the lesson in the problem, but the authors used it maybe if position appeared from a game. Once I saw one solution to this problem, I did not look for another; I'm not sure if there is a solution that uses those two pieces.
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:29 am

As Ms. Becky said - think again ! Mans on 26 and 18 are necessary for win. What happened, if we take them out ?

Red to move, white draw
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby matthewkooshad on Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:42 pm

I overlooked the pitch, sorry. I am a long way away from being able to play blindfolded. Thank you Alex for showing this to me, cheers. Important :!:
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby matthewkooshad on Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:33 pm

Hint: it's easy to think the wrong moves on this one.
    Jan 14
    Hugh Byars, Glasgow
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    Red to play and win.
solved by Jason and Bob!
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby matthewkooshad on Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:26 pm

I wondered if anyone tries to solve these than Alex? heh
They are not overly difficult. I only post ones that I can see solution to.
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby Jason Solan on Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:02 pm

I usually try to solve them.
They are interesting and i hope you keep doing it.

for the 14th:
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11-16, 12-8, 16-20, 8-doesn't matter, 15-19, 23-16, 20-11, RW
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby matthewkooshad on Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:03 pm

good job and thanks for reply.
    Jan 21
    W. Payne
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    White to play and win.
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby Bob Murr on Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:27 am

Jason said
11-16, 12-8, 16-20, 8-doesn't matter, 15-19, 23-16, 20-11, RW


16-20 at the 3rd move allows a draw by 23-19, 15-24, 8-3 etc. steal the man on 14. There is much more to this than meets the eye. The star move is 16-12* then 23-19 (trying for the same draw) but red still wins with the proper follow up.

I believe this is one of the best 3x3 problems ever published. Of course all programs have this in their ending database.

This incorrect solution is shown in the Little Giant Problem book with no credit on the problem to Mr. Byars.
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby Jason Solan on Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:59 pm

Very nice Bob, didn't even see that.
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby matthewkooshad on Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:35 pm

Goooood job Bob :) That's what I meant on the: it's easy to choose the wrong move on that one. Bob, I found that one in my copy of Lees guide.
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby Bob Murr on Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:05 pm

Yes, this is a classic problem, almost everyone makes the same mistake the first time they see the problem missing the required king pitch to win.
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Re: Saturday Situation!

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:01 pm

Nothing hijacked ! You started the second page of topic :occasion9:
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