KELSO LINE

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KELSO LINE

Postby schoolboyy on Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:24 pm

This is given in MASTER PLAY to draw



[Event "pratice"]
[Date ""]
[Black ""]
[White ""]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 10-15 21-17 2. 11-16 17-13 3. 16-20 23-18 4. 8-11 26-23 5. 7-10 25-21 6. 4-8 24-19 7.
15x24 28x19 8. 11-16 29-25 9. 8-11 18-15 10. 11x18 22x15 11. 10-14 15-11 12. 14-18 23x14
13. 9x18 19-15 14. 16-19 11-8 15. 19-24 8-4 16. 12-16 15-11 17. 6-10 11-8 18. 3x12 21-17
19. 1-6 4-8 20. 10-15 8-3 21. 15-19 3-8 22. 18-23 27x18 23. 19-23 17-14 24. 24-27 31x24
25. 20x27 14-9 26. 5x14 18x9 27. 16-20 9-5 28. 27-31 5-1 29. 6-9 13x6 30. 2x9 1-6 31. 9-13
25-21 32. 20-24 6-10 White Wins


Image THis is the postion at 11th move in the game , and Master Play page 237 T at 5th move.I think that 10-14 loses and 9-14 draws.
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Re: KELSO LINE

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:43 pm

Yes, agree ! It was my cook some years ago, but never had a chance :roll: to play this on serious occasion. Good finding, Mr. Williams ! This position is very important and often arise from few openings.

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Re: KELSO LINE

Postby Michael Holmes on Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:39 pm

Most aurthors agree that the person to first play a line or publish a line is the one that gets credit for it unless the publisher or the person who played the line gives credit to someone else.

Thanks for posting this. Your name will go with this line.
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Re: KELSO LINE

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:55 pm

Michael, thanks for pointing my attention again to these fine analyses.

Rawle, I was wrong few years ago, and today changed my opinion back (unless otherwise proved).

10-14 is a drawn move. After 19-15 try 6-9 trade(instead 16-19) and let me know your thoughts. Michael and anyone else, including programs - you all also are more than welcome to join with us and help to find a true.

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kelso

Postby schoolboyy on Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:14 pm

After 19-15, 6-9 ,13-6 ,1-19 I THINK WHITES CAN STILL WIN THIS POISTION. Image
[FEN "W:W32,31,30,27,25,21,11:B20,19,18,16,12,5,3,2."]
1. 11-8 19-24 2. 8-4 5-9 3. 4-8 2-7 4. 21-17 9-13 5. 17-14 13-17 6. 14-9 17-22 7. 25-21
22-25 8. 8-11 7-10 9. 11-7 10-15 10. 7-10 15-19 11. 10-15 18-22 12. 30-26 25-30 13. 26x17
30-25 14. 9-6 25-22 15. 17-13 22-26 16. 31x22 24x31 17. 15x24 20x27 18. 32x23 16-20 LOOK LIKE A WHITE WIN TO ME
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2KR: need help !

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:40 pm

Rawle, I am at work now and don't have an access to my program. It is hard to evaluate this position properly without program help. It is very possible, that you are right. At least - move 21-17 seems like a star move to me, which I didn't fully research previous time. If white play 8-11 instead - I think red can drew the game.

I'll be back to you soon.

I am still hope that Mr. Gilbert & KR join with us help to find a true. 10 pieces database involvement in such position would help tremendously.

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Re: kelso

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:07 pm

schoolboyy wrote:LOOK LIKE A WHITE WIN TO ME


Hi, Rawlie ! Yes, now I agree with you ! After looking again and more deeper into this position, I agree with your verdict and analyses. Great job, thanks for sharing this with us ! All credits are yours indeed :lol:

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Re: KELSO LINE

Postby Ed Gilbert on Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:27 pm

Kingsrow/10 agrees that 10-14 at move 11 is likely a loss.

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