9-13 24-20 5-9 new defense.

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9-13 24-20 5-9 new defense.

Postby Michael Holmes on Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:20 pm

[Event "2009 TN ty 9-13 24-20 5-9"]
[Date ""]
[Black "Michael Holmes"]
[White "John Webster"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 9-13 24-20 2. 5-9 22-18 3. 10-15 25-22 4. 15-19 23x16 5. 12x19 29-25 6. 1-5
{new and sound! well, new as far as the first time being played correct. Les Balderson lost this to me in the 2005 NC tourney but he did not know what the next few good moves were} 27-24
{27-23 is stronger and if white runs the piece off twice red protects with 8-12 and then 31-27 and 7-10 to draw.}
7. 11-15 18x11 8. 8x15 32-27 9. 4-8 27-23 10. 8-12 23x16 11. 12x19 31-27 12. 3-8 20-16 13.
8-12 16-11 14. 7x16 24-20 15. 6-10 20x11 16. 12-16 11-8 17. 9-14 8-3
{Chuck Freeman play 27-23 13-17 to a draw in the 2008 IL tourney against me. This 8-3 gives red the best game from here on out.}
18. 16-20 27-23 19. 19-24 28x19 20. 15x24 22-18 21. 24-27 18x9 22. 5x14 26-22 23. 27-31
3-8 24. 20-24 8-11 25. 24-28 23-19 26. 28-32 19-16 27. 32-27 16-12 28. 2-6 12-8 29. 14-18
22x15 30. 10x19 25-22 31. 27-23 8-3 32. 19-24 3-7 33. 31-27 1/2-1/2


[Event "2008 IL ty 9-13 24-20 5-9"]
[Date ""]
[Black "Michael Holmes"]
[White "Chuck Freeman"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 9-13 24-20 2. 5-9 22-18 3. 10-15 25-22 4. 15-19 23x16 5. 12x19 29-25 6. 1-5
{new and sound!} 27-24
{27-23 is stronger and if white runs the piece off twice red protects with 8-12 and then 31-27 and 7-10 to draw.}
7. 11-15 18x11 8. 8x15 32-27 9. 4-8 27-23 10. 8-12 23x16 11. 12x19 31-27 12. 3-8 20-16 13.
8-12 16-11 14. 7x16 24-20 15. 6-10 20x11 16. 12-16 11-8 17. 9-14 27-23 18. 13-17 22x13 19.
15-18 8-3 20. 18x27 3-8 21. 27-31 25-22 22. 10-15 22-17 23. 31x22 17x10 24. 16-20 10-6 25.
2x9 13x6 26. 19-23 {drawn} 1/2-1/2


[Event "2005 NC ty 9-13 24-20 5-9"]
[Date ""]
[Black "Les Balderson"]
[White "Michael Holmes"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 9-13 24-20 2. 5-9 22-18 3. 10-15
{The move I avoided because I knew the other lines much better.} 25-22 4. 15-19
{6-10 and 7-10 here are better options. I have the attack now.} 23x16 5. 12x19
29-25 {The powerful waiting move.} 6. 1-5
{very weak..and the computer says 6-10 is best here with a neg 8} 27-23 7. 8-12
23x16 8. 12x19 32-27 9. 9-14
{loses. 4-8 is very weak but still draws after 27-23 8-12 xx 31-27 and now the piece down draw line with 7-10 27-23 19-24! X 10-14 drawn.}
18x9 10. 5x14 27-23 11. 4-8 23x16 12. 8-12 22-18 13. 14x23 26x19 14. 6-10 25-22 15. 11-15
30-26 16. 15x24 28x19 17. 3-8 26-23 18. 8-11 23-18 0-1
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Re: 9-13 24-20 5-9 new defense.

Postby tommyc on Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:25 pm

I DONT THINK ITS THAT NEW........
Black "Michael Holmes"]
[White "John Webster"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 9-13 24-20 2. 5-9 22-18 3. 10-15 25-22 4. 15-19 23x16 5. 12x19 29-25 6. 1-5 (new says Michael)

Its just a transpo from ...........913 2218 6-9 from Smiths Edinburghs

913 2218 6-9 2522 1-6 2420 1015 2925 (VAR1 OF SMITHS EDNBURGHS)then 1519 2316 1219 2723 8-12 same etc
.....................also in the US national 1937 as played by......Freeman V Fuller
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Re: 9-13 24-20 5-9 new defense.

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:16 pm

Actually the defense is not new and is in Kear's encyclopedia.
Transposition from 1. 09-13 22-18 2. 06-09 25-22 3. 01-06 24-20 4. 10-15 29-25 5. 15-19 23x16
6. 12x19.
6. ...18-15 and 6. ...27-23 r given as lines offering equality.

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Re: 9-13 24-20 5-9 new defense.

Postby tommyc on Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:24 pm

Thats what i said.......Ingo stop copycatting............Sure Smiths Edinburghs came out in 1912 long before Kears .
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Re: 9-13 24-20 5-9 new defense.

Postby Michael Holmes on Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:20 pm

Neither one of you said or showed where you could prove that the play on the powerful 27-23 or 27-24 has been previously published. This man-down draw agains the 27-23 is very important and if by some chance it has been (I doubt it) shown before I am glad to have the opportunity to bring it back to light!

Quit using checkerboard(and you may not be using a program but that is one reason why someone may overlook the obvious statements I made) to run up transpositions and look in the books and you might find some very noteworthy mentions about this 1-5 move-which I propose are wrong!!!
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Re: 9-13 24-20 5-9 new defense.

Postby tommyc on Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:40 pm

I have no interest in 2724......but 2723..
Well it can be seen in Smiths Edinburghs or Kears as (ALREADY STATED) if your interestd in seeing it in print, look there.You didnt show a man dwn line draw as white has to immediately pitch the piece back as shown in Kears by? none other than .......FF,Smith. 1912 and Smiths Edinburghs shows the simple transposition.





9-13, 24-20, 5-9, 22-18, 10-15A, 25-22, 15-19(A1), 23-16, 12-19, 29-25,
8-12(B), 27-23, 4-8(C), 23-16, 12-19, 32-27, 1-5!!!!!, 27-23, 8-12, 23-16, 12-19,
31-27, 7-10, 27-23, 19-24, 28-19, 10-14, 19-15, 3-8, 21-17, 14-21,
23-19, 9-14, 18-9, 5-14, 19-16, 11-18, 22-15, 8-12, 16-11, 14-18,
11-8drawn

Here on a closer look may be something "new" along old lines holding 1-5 back until
the 17th move!!!! IF YOU WANT.

(A)(A1)(B)(C)......in FACT I THINK 1-5 CAN BE PLAYED AT ANY OF THESE 4 JUNCTURES TO
A DRAWN RESULT....that play you wont find in any book!!.... that must be a "COOK" or re-cook?
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Re: 9-13 24-20 5-9 new defense.

Postby Michael Holmes on Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:54 pm

Tommy C said I have no interest in 2724......but 2723..
Well it can be seen in Smiths Edinburghs

From your run-up though the 27-24 is a lot stronger than the 27-23 move. Immediately red is forced to lose and regain a piece allowing white to wreck red's center position and divide the red forces (although still drawable).
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