Games in Beijing

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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:21 am

Hm,

the link still works on my PC, so try:

http://wmsg.tomas-novotny.eu/

Tomas published a lot of pics on that server, and in his own directory there is, among others, a pic of the Docherty-Martynov game.

I hope you don't get redirected this time, too.

Greetinx from old Europe,

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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby shinzen on Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:03 am

Dear Josh,
please, send me Your e-mail or write to Tomas for novotny@cekauniedamy.com and he or me will send you password for ftp.
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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby william on Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:42 pm

Hi Folks

OK This one is for Mr. T.C.Compilation himself , as he was the first to ask if I'd had any of the new ballots.

The game was played against Amangul Durdyev , who left a very good impression on me due to her professionalism on the board.

Black -Durdyev White -Docherty

9-13 ; 23-19 ; 10-15 ; 19x10 ; 6x15 ; 22-18 ; 15x22 ; 25x18 ; 11-15 ; 18x11 ; 8x15 ; 29-25 ; 4-8 ; 25-22 ; 8-11 ; 27-23 ;
1-6 ; 23-18 ;(The reason behind this move or plan if you like is quite simple.Red is 2.5 ahead in development this is my motivation to close position instead of opening at this point ) 6-9 ; 26-23 ; 7-10 ; 24-20 ; 2-7? ( 3-7 will draw , after this there is normally no draw :lol: ) ; ; 28-24 ; 9-14 ; 18x9 ; 5x14 ; 32-28 ; 14-18 ; 23x14 ; 10x26 ; 30x23 ; 7-10 ; 31-26??? ; ( Back at my move 23-18 , I had concieved the move 23-19 as win . However when arriving upon position I felt that in reply 12-16 man down pitch may come , and ... I would have to continue working to clear up!! LOL . This is when I had the ingenious idea of ''taking'' the "quicker" win by 31-26!!) 10-14 ; 26-22 ; 3-7 ; 24-19 ; 15x24 ; 28x19 ; 13-17!!! ;( AARGH!! Now I feel the uppercut :oops: As an excuse I could say that if the single man were coming from 1 instead of 3 then I might have spotted this back at 31-26 move :twisted: ) 22x13 ; 7-10 DRAW!
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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby william on Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:54 pm

Hi Again Mr. T.C. Compilation

Here is the first game .I unfortunately do not have your work on new openings ; if you have the time , i'd be grateful on a couple of annotations (not the whole book :? ) concerning these two games please Tommy , if you have some spare time.

Black - Docherty White - Durdyev A.

9-13 ; 23-19 ; 10-15 ; 19x10 ; 6x15 ; 26-23 ; 7-10 ; 24-19 ; 15x24 ; 28x19 ; 5-9 ; 30-26 ; 3-7 ; 22-17 ; ( This came as a welcome surprise to me )13x22 ; 25x18 ; 11-15 ; 18x11 ; 8x24 ; 27x20 ; 4-8 ; 29-25 ; 8-11 ; 32-28 ; 10-15 ; 25-22 ; 11-16 ; 20x11 ; 7x16 ; 21-17 ; 1-6 ; 31-27 ; 16-19 ; 23x16 ; 12x19 ; 27-23 ; 9-13 ; 23x16 ; 15-18 Draw

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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby tommyc on Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:38 pm

Black -Durdyev White -Docherty

9-13 ; 23-19 ; 10-15 ; 19x10 ; 6x15 ; 22-18 ; 15x22 ; 25x18 ; 11-15 ; 18x11 ; 8x15 ; 29-25 ; 4-8 ; 25-22 ; 8-11 ; 27-23 ;
1-6 ; 23-18 ;(The reason behind this move or plan if you like is quite simple.Red is 2.5 ahead in development this is my motivation to close position instead of opening at this point ) 6-9 ; 26-23 ; 7-10 ; 24-20 ; 2-7? ( 3-7 will draw , after this there is normally no draw ) ; ; 28-24 ; 9-14 ; 18x9 ; 5x14 ; 32-28 (3026 wins right away t.c.); 14-18 ; 23x14 ; 10x26 ; 30x23 ; 7-10 ; 31-26??? ; ( Back at my move 23-18 , I had concieved the move 23-19 as win . However when arriving upon position I felt that in reply 12-16 man down pitch may come , and ... I would have to continue working to clear up!! LOL . This is when I had the ingenious idea of ''taking'' the "quicker" win by 31-26!!) 10-14 ; 26-22 ; 3-7 ; 24-19 ; 15x24 ; 28x19 ; 13-17!!! ;( AARGH!! Now I feel the uppercut As an excuse I could say that if the single man were coming from 1 instead of 3 then I might have spotted this back at 31-26 move ) 22x13 ; 7-10 DRAW!


Hi Billy...........I agree with your analysis with the losing 2-7? played 2319 would have won and not 3126. One thing you missed on this line was at 3228??........... ; ; 28-24 ; 9-14 ; 18x9 ; 5x14 ; 32-28 ????(3026** guts the position t.c.);

On the second game theres little in it only the draw.Amangul is certainly a serious player to be reckoned with and she had a fine Ty.
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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby william on Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:27 am

thanks for the comments Tommy

Oh by the way , give me a quote on how much it would be in euros postage included for your book.

Greetings

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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby tommyc on Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:10 pm

We were somewhat surprised to discover after day 1 Irish Open that the new ballots werent in the bag as the IDA have been the last to approve them.Thankfully at the AGM that was put right and there will be a flood of orders for play on them soon.

It was a fine Ty with 56 players over 3 divisions (4 days for the Inter and 5 for senior and masters 8 and 10 rds play)and few hick-ups .

I think this was the 1st Irish in Naas (Bill Dobbins in charge)and was a resounding success with a fine venue with Peader and Jim on the controls.We had quite a few over-seas players notable the Youngs from Scotland who are always a welcome sigh at any Ty.The venue in the Townhouse Hotel Naas were very hospitable and part sponsored some prizes so thanks to Mary? and her staff for putting on a sing-song for all.

The 2009 Ty may be north bound wwwwwwith the Northern Draughts Federation keen to host it NEXT YEAR.


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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:56 pm

tommyc wrote:We were somewhat surprised to discover after day 1 Irish Open that the new ballots werent in the bag as the IDA
I was somewhat surprize :D when in Beijing, Rd2 referee picked the following ballot for me and Shane McCosker: 11-15 22-17 10-14. It took about 30 seconds for me to find out that this is the same Denny Dodger opening we have in ACF deck: 10-14 22-17 11-15.

Huh ! Any standartization here would be highly welcome and appreciated. Perhaps WCDF should include the list of openings as appendix into GAME RULES document.

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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby S_McCosker on Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:11 am

I was somewhat surprize :D when in Beijing, Rd2 referee picked the following ballot for me and Shane McCosker: 11-15 22-17 10-14. It took about 30 seconds for me to find out that this is the same Denny Dodger opening we have in ACF deck: 10-14 22-17 11-15.

Me too! I know they are both the same opening but I shouldnt have to figure out that it is the same ballot. I would propose that there should be no ACF or EDA deck why not a WCDF deck if the rules are now standard then why not the opening deck?
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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:00 am

I just have to defend the WCDF this time.

First, I would prefer to say 156 positions rather then 156 "openings", as in fact there r more then 156 openings transposing into these 156 positions.
But that was known before, and as long as the deck we used was random and contains only the 156 positions there was no problem that could effect the result of a game. (I assume that a different position could effect a result, but not a transposition)
In fact, the rules so far do not contain the specific positions and I understand that each official in Beijing also thought that this is a hole in the rules that will be worked out soon.
Remember that this was the first tournament under these rules, and I know that there were even more holes and difficulties in the rules, but we need practical expirience to fix that problems.
As I understood, you r a member of the rules commitee, Alexs, so just keep that problem in your notebook and look out for a solution.
I would propose to use the following chart by Bran Hinkle:
http://www.jimloy.com/checkers/174.htm
as this list also contains possible future candidates for the deck, and the rules could specify:
1. the following 174 positions r regarded as standard starting positions for a possible random selection if the "3-move style" is adopted.
2. among them, the following should be barred: and now simply write down the openings that r barred with their respective number.
3. Any of the remaining 156 positions should have the same probability in any selection method that a tournament controller chooses.

Something like that.

Greetinx from cold and cloudy Wattenscheid, Germany

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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:43 am

Here is one more example from Beijing. A deep research with program shows that on 4 occasions I missed something, in 3 cases win and in one case - draw with William Docherty. However in 3 out of 4 cases my opponents didn't take advantage on this, and only on one occasion my error cost me a point.

Bagtiyar Durdyev vs A. Moiseyev
Rd.5, G2

#1. Red to move
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From position on diagram #1 the game continued:

9-13? (loses! The draw was available after 14-18, 23x14, 9x18, 22-17, 12-16 etc Draw) 15-11, 7x16, 22-18, 6-9, 18-15, 14-17, 15x6, 9-14, 6-2, 14-18, 21x14, 13-17 ... and we reached position on diagram #2

#2. White to move .................. #3. White to move
Image ... Image

Here I played incorrect 2-7? missing first (but not last!) time a winning move 2-6 to prevent 5-9. It would be a true to say that at this time I had less than one minute on my clocks for the next 6-8 moves, but I thought that I already "calculated everything to the end" :D In fact, reality was much more richer ! My "express-analyses" with Bagtiyar after the game was over, well prove that both of us saw very little in this position !

After 2-7 he replied 17-21 missing a fine draw after 5-9!, 14x5, 17-21, 23x14, 16x30, 25-22, 30-26 etc with draw by taken man back.

After 17-21 I replied immediately 7-11, 21x30, 11-15, 18-22, 26x17, 30-26 and here I missed a win last time by playing 15-11?? See diagram #3. Win was pretty but not very hard: 14-10 and red can't play now 26-31 because of 10-6, 31x24, 15-10 etc WW. If instead 26-31 red tries 26-22, white wins by 17-14 (17-13? only draws)

Yea-a-a ... from diagram #3 the game finished by 15-11, 26-31, 27-24, 20x27, 11x20, 27-32, 23-18, 31-27, 20-16, 27-24, 18-15, 32-27 and draw was agreed here because red plays next move 24-20 and took man back.

Good example which shows depth and beauty of game !

Sincerely,

Alex
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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby william on Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:49 pm

Hi Alex

I remember passing your table while your game had reached position after 14-18 ; x ; 13-17 ; and of course having to
continue my own game , left , thinking how nice a position you both had ( well maybe more 'interesting 'than nice) . My last thought was a comparaison to a bristol cross position , which had made me believe that black could hold the advantage.(I did not linger around too long which explains this hasty assumption).

Bristol cross and this position are very devious and require time on clock to be able to play them correctly.

Nice analysis , and nice to see outcome of game.

:roll: All world champions have one thing in common , they have all missed wins or draws in important matches or tys ;

This time for you alex , though , you didn't need these extra points to take the ty :evil: :lol:

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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:26 pm

I am glad to make an official announcement, that finally today I've got from Ingo Zachos a last portion of processed games from Beijing, rounds 6-9. At least we have now some sort of electronic version of all games played in Beijing, 2008.

It seems like an extra step is needed here: "translate from English to English" :lol: because games are mixed a bit and format also must be adjusted.

I will contact with members "of Beijing Book golden team" regarding their availability and intention to participate in "life time project" :lol:

I know that Richard Beckwith is well booked now with his preparation for the upcoming GAYP WCM this year and William Docherty is doing his degree.

Will see, no hurry :lol:

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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby Patrick Parker on Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:52 am

SWEET
add some fotos

the beach foto from barbados match book..amazing
there might not be a ttropical paradise but any visuals help
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Re: Games in Beijing

Postby Jay H on Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:13 pm

Alex_Moiseyev wrote:....... and William Docherty is doing his degree.
Regards,

Alex


Alex
Have you, or anyone else heard any more word on whether or not Docherty will attend this year's ACF 3-Move National.....and/or his Challenge for the 11-Man Ballot World Title.


??????

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