joining the club

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joining the club

Postby Patrick Parker on Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:06 pm

im red
byron is white

9-14 24-20 2. 10-15 22-18 3. 15x22 25x9 4. 6x13 29-25 5. 7-10 25-22 6. 3-7 23-19 7.
11-16 20x11 8. 8x24 28x19 9. 4-8 22-18 10. 8-11 26-23 11. 1-6 31-26 12. 11-15 18x11 13.
7x16 27-24 14. 16-20 23-18 15. 20x27 32x23 16. 6-9 19-16 17. 12x19 23x16 18. 13-17 21x7
19. 2x20


i cant find anyone else playing this
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Re: joining the club

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:45 am

I found the game Ogle-Lemense, US nationals 1939:

1. 9-14 24-20 2. 10-15 22-18 3. 15x22 25x9 4. 6x13 29-25 5. 11-15 23-19 6. 15x24 28x19 7.
8-11 27-23 8. 4-8 25-22 9. 1-6 22-18 10. 6-10 32-27 11. 10-14 18x9 12. 5x14 30-25 13. 2-6
25-22 14. 6-10 22-18 15. 14-17 21x14 16. 10x17 26-22 17. 17x26 31x22 18. 7-10 and red won

Of course, moves like 10.-32-27 or 12.-30-25 do not make it a masterpiece, as I think both times the natural 26-22 leaves red with a bad poition, and 16.-26-22 was an outright loss, not hard to see.

Note that also King's Row has 4.6x13 in his opening book as equal to the main line 4.5x14, and that Wiswell once remarkes that this is "a Krantz-like move, with which he fooled many experts".So there was pp about it, but not that much, though the KingsRow book looks like it is most reliable.

In my view, 4.6x13 is certainly not a loss, but less natural then 4.5x14, which looks better for strategical reasons (does not play a man on the rim, controls the center and plays along the 5-28 diagonal, all very well known strategic principles!)
Maybe it is a bizarre alternative, that has the merit of making your opponent "to play for a win" and thus may even be stronger then 4.5x24! Remember Rin King's 1. 11-15 24-19 15x24 27x20 ?

Looks like you play a creative style, and in the end it worked for a draw.

Greetinx from sunny Dortmund,

Ingo Zachos
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Re: joining the club

Postby Patrick Parker on Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:56 pm

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Re: joining the club

Postby jimloy on Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:44 pm

[Event "U.S. National 1956"]
[Black "Blair,L."]
[White "Brindle,J."]
[Result "1-0"]
9-14 24-20 10-15 22-18 15x22 25x9 6x13 29-25 1-6 25-22 6-9 28-24 7-10 23-19 3-7 27-23 9-14 32-28 14-17 21x14 10x17 19-16 12x19 23x16 7-10 16x7 2x11 24-19 8-12 31-27 11-15 27-24 5-9 20-16 9-14 16-11 17-21 11-7 14-18 7-2 18x25 2-7 10-14 19x10 25-29 7-11 29-25 10-7 13-17 7-2 25-22 26-23 22-18 23-19 17-22 2-6 22-26 30x23 18x20 1-0

From a different opening:

[Event "U.S. National 2004 (Majors)"]
[Black "Schultz,K."]
[White "Post,J."]
[Result "1-0"]
9-13 24-20 10-14 22-17 13x22 25x9 6x13 29-25 11-15 25-22 7-10 28-24 1-6 23-19 8-11 27-23 6-9 23-18 3-7 26-23 9-14 18x9 5x14 32-28 2-6 30-26 4-8 22-17 13x22 26x17 15-18 17-13 18x27 13-9 6x13 19-16 12x19 24x6 27-32 6-2 8-12 2-6 14-18 1-0
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Re: joining the club

Postby Patrick Parker on Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:02 am

looks like im the only one that didnt win with red
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