Place your trade.

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Place your trade.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:06 am

The winner of this contest will be the one, who place last kind of trade on the Board and noone else can place new. All you need - continue posting different types of trade until we cover all of them.

You also can post more than one. No hurry. Fun and enjoyment. I want to start from this position (see diagram).

If you have problems with diagrams - you can type numbers here and someone will create diagram for you. However it would be much better if you just learn how to do this.

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25-22 18x25 29x22
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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Palomino on Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:51 am

Alex,

I'm not sure if I understand what we are doing here. Are you asking us to demonstrate how this position could have come about by a previous trade, as if we are creating the game from ending to beginnig? ? Right off hand I don't see a way for the position you have given us to come about by a trade but it could have come about by a sacrifice, such as this.

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White to move and win:
solution: 18-14, 9x18....

Or are you asking us to demonstrate a different type of trade, where as you diagramed an example of a "one for one" trade, are we to give an example of a "one for two" trade and so on and so on? Such as this position.

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22-17, 13x22, 25x11

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:05 am

Here are few more examples. Who next ?

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22-17 13x22 25x18

#3
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22-18 15x22 25x18

#4
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11-7 2x11 9x2

#5
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20-16 12x19 23x16

#6
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25-22 26x17 21x14

Pal, your example #3 is close and can be accepted (as overall #2, see diagram above). However - I think it's a different subject - JUMPS, not TRADE. for trade you don't need a man on 15. Maybe we should open a new similar subject: PLACE YOUR JUMP ? What do you think ?

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Palomino on Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:34 am

Ok, so the winner will be the one that posts the highest number of positions where a trade occurs, and we should number our diagrams, correct? Are you limiting this to "one for one" trades for the time being?

#1White to Move
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28-24, 20x27, 31x24. WW


#2 Red to Move
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18-22, 25x18, 14x23. RW

#3 Red to move
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30-26, 31x22, 17x26. RW

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:46 am

Palomino wrote:Ok, so the winner will be the one that posts the highest number of positions

Hmmm ... actually I had another idea - the winner would be the one, who place LAST position and noone after this can place something new :lol: However, I like your idea too - about awarding someone, who place more positions than anyone else.

Lets do two categories:

Category A. Placing majority number of positions.
Category B. Placing LAST position

Many thanks for your input, Pal ! So far you are leader :lol: As a World Champ I should give a handicap. I will start when you hit 30 !

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Palomino on Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:06 pm

Alex,
I see this becoming a BIG JOB for you, I mean seeing that no one repeats the same position twice or repeats a position that someone else has posted. I'm sure I would have trouble doing that, good luck my friend.

Here are a few more.

#4 Red to move
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22-26, 30x23, 27x18. RW

#5 Red to Move
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6-9, 21x14, 9x18. RW

#6 Red to move
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8-11, 16x7, 2x11.... RW

#7 Red to Move
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17-22, 26x17, 13x22.... RW

#8 White to Move
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23-27, 31x24, 20x27... Drawn Game

Alex, you didn't answer my earlier question as to whither or not you are limiting this contest to examples of "one for one" trades or not.

I think maybe this is a good idea and that maybe later an additinal contest could be done limited to examples of "two for one" trades and then another contest after that for "two for two" trades, continuing on in this way.

Well now I have posted 8 trades and you have only posted 6, I think I will go and find someone I can brag to, saying "I'm beating the World Champion at his own contest". :shock: LOL.

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:04 pm

Palomino wrote:Alex, I see this becoming a BIG JOB for you

Probably, I never avoid challenges ! :lol:

Palomino wrote:Here are a few more.

Very nice. The most important thing - all of them are different kind of trades.

Palomino wrote:Alex, you didn't answer my earlier question as to whither or not you are limiting this contest to examples of "one for one" trades or not.

I think maybe this is a good idea and that maybe later an additinal contest could be done limited to examples of "two for one" trades and then another contest after that for "two for two" trades, continuing on in this way.

Bingo ! I totally agree with you. Lets do not complicate things and do it one-by-one first. If our research will be fill - it will have some theoretical value too. I can't remember if ever in literature I saw all of them in one place.

Palomino wrote:Well now I have posted 8 trades and you have only posted 6, I think I will go and find someone I can brag to, saying "I'm beating the World Champion at his own contest". :shock: LOL.

This reminds me a famous quote from Brazilian team football (soccer) coach. He said in interview:

- All other teams can make as much goals as they can, my team can make as much goals as we want ! :lol:

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23-19 24x15 32x23 Dr

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Palomino on Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:39 pm

Alex I like your #7, here is same idea, different location on the board with a different outcome.

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22-25, 21X30, 13x22. WW

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Palomino on Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:08 pm

Alex,
I just got off of the phone with our good friend Mr. Checkers, he's been watching our postings and suggested I add the "BEGINNER'S JINX" trade by William Payne. Every player needs to learn how to bring about this trade, we all know beginners sometimes find themselves in the situation of having the advantage of 3 kings against 2 kings but can't bring about the win when their opponents control both double corners.

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5-1, 24-19, 1x10, 15x6... WW

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10-6, 1x10, 15x6...RW

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:57 pm

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30-26 31x22 24x31 Dr

Pal, it seems like both of us are the only people who knows something about trades. Anyone else can't provide even single example :lol: I was hoping to find on this website more good checkers players !
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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Palomino on Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:30 pm

Ok Alex,

Mr. Checkers and I also discussed this trade on the phone today.
This one will make an even dozen for the day.
I've always thought that a "man down draw" feels pert near as good as a win.
What do you think?

#12 Red to Move
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16-19, 23x16, 20x11... Drawn Game

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:40 pm

Palomino wrote:I've always thought that a man down draw feels pert near as good as a win. What do you think?


You right, Pal! Below is an example from my 3-move World Championship 2003 with Ron King, Game 13. In Sixth this is diagram #55 at Page 50.

I played here 29-25* 22x29 18-14 9x18 15x22 giving white some edge. After then red have to play carefully (he did!) and return man back at right time to secure a draw.

White to move.
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29-25*

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Re: Place your trade.

Postby Palomino on Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:02 pm

This trade came up in a quick Windows Internet Checkers game today.

#13. White to Move
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26-23, 19x26, 30x19... WW

I made the trade but now I see that 30-25 would have been a better move.

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