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Old Fourteenth

Postby Jake Lopez on Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:26 pm

11-15 23-19 8-11 22-17 4-8 17-13 15-18 24-20 10-14.

Does anyone have tournament play on this? I know white's next response is 26-23 then red must do 6-10, 13x6 2x9.
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Re: Old Fourteenth

Postby Ingo_Zachos on Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:43 pm

Jake Lopez wrote:
Does anyone have tournament play on this? I know white's next response is 26-23 then red must do 6-10, 13x6 2x9.


Yes, here is a famous example from not so long ago:

(1) Moiseyev,A. - King,R.
Petal 2000, game 3, 00-00-2000

1.11-15 23-19 2.8-11 22-17 3.4-8 17-13 4.15-18 24-20 5.9-14 26-23 6.6-9 13x6 7.2x9 31-26 8.11-15 28-24 9.8-11 26-22 10.1-6 32-28 11.3-8 30-26 12.9-13 19-16 13.12x19 23x16 14.13-17 22x13 15.8-12 24-19 16.15x31 26-22 17.12x19 22x8 18.14-17 21x14 19.10x17 25-21 20.17-22 8-3 21.7-10 21-17 22.5-9 3-7 23.9-14 7-2 24.14x21 2x9 25.31-27 9-6 26.10-15 6-10 27.15-18 10-15 28.27-24 13-9 29.18-23 9-6 30.21-25 6-2 31.25-30 15-11 32.22-26 2-7 33.26-31 7-10 34.31-26 11-16 35.26-22 10-15 36.30-25 15-11 37.25-21 11-15 38.21-17 16-12 39.22-26 12-16 40.17-22 15-11 41.22-18 29-25 42.24-27 11-15 43.18x11 16x7 44.27-32 7-10 45.23-27 10-15 46.19-23 28-24 47.27-31 24-19 48.31-27 19-16 49.27-24 16-12 50.32-28 15-10 51.24-19 20-16 52.28-24 16-11 53.24-20 10-7 1-1

And after 7.- 31-26,8. 11-15 28-24 we reach an Ayrshire Lassie transpostion: 1.11-15 24-20 2.8-11 28-24 3.4-8 23-19 4.9-14 22-17 5.15-18 26-23 6.6-9 17-13 7.11-15 13x6 8.2x9 31-26 , played a lot during the 2-moves era, for instance Jordan-Lieber and Jordan-Ginsburg from the US nationals 1924.
So nothing new under the sun...

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Re: Old Fourteenth

Postby Alex_Moiseyev on Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:20 pm

For long period of time after match, several years, I had a strange feeling, that I may probably missed win in the ending in this game. This year, 2005, I offered Chinook 10 pieces database assistance, and verdict was simple - no one missed a win in this game :lol:

At move 5, either 10-14 26-23 6-10 as Jake mentioned, or 9-14 26-23 6-9 as I played against Ron King, just different order of moves only and don't really generate new lines.

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Re: Old Fourteenth

Postby Jake Lopez on Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:21 pm

Thank you Alex.

Now, does anyone have a tournament game when played this way =

1. 11-15 23-19 2. 8-11 22-17 3. 4-8 17-13 4. 15-18 24-20 5. 10-14 26-23 6. 6-10 13x6 7. 2x9
25-22 8. 18x25 29x22

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